FBCU Draft—

THE NINTH PICK

Four seasons of draft records, and one slot that keeps coming back.

Cold open. No music. Black screen. Four numbers fade in, one at a time.

9 — 9 — 9 — 9

Holds for five seconds. Theme hits.

Ernie

Good evening and welcome back to Inside the FBCU. We draft tomorrow night, eight thirty eastern. Normally this is where we argue about who's taking who, and we'll get there. But the Records Department pulled every draft this league has ever held, and they came back with something none of us expected.

Shaq

Put the paper up, Ernie.

Ernie

Dennis Coticelli. Four seasons. His draft slot in 23-24 — ninth. In 24-25 — ninth. In 25-26 — ninth. And tomorrow night, for 26-27, he picks...

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Chuck

Say it.

Ernie

Ninth.

Silence.

Shaq

That's not a draft slot. That's an address.


Kenny

And before anybody writes in — this order isn't assigned. It's drawn. Every year a group of these guys get on a call, somebody spins a random wheel, and that's the board. There's no committee. There's no commissioner handing out slots.

Chuck

So it's worse.

Kenny

It's worse. Because if a person were doing it, you could at least be angry at the person. This is a wheel. The odds of landing the same slot four consecutive times at random are one in one thousand seven hundred and twenty-eight.

Shaq

The WHEEL has it out for him. You understand what I'm saying? Four spins. Four nines. That wheel knows something.

Chuck

Shaq, it's a wheel.

Shaq

It's a wheel with a memory.

Ernie

Here's where it gets complicated, though. We started pulling this expecting to find a man getting robbed. That's not what we found.

Graphic: THE NINTH PICK

23-24 — Tyrese Haliburton — 50.5 fppg over 69 games
24-25 — Jayson Tatum — 48.4 fppg over 72 games
25-26 — Domantas Sabonis — traded midseason for Victor Wembanyama
Kenny

All three worked. Haliburton at fifty a night for sixty-nine games is a top-ten fantasy season. Tatum at forty-eight for seventy-two is the same. And Sabonis looks like the weak one on paper until you remember what he turned into.

Shaq

He flipped him for WEMBY.

Kenny

Mid-season. Sabonis, Butler and Jaren Jackson to Tampa for Wembanyama, Grayson Allen and Naz Reid. And then every single player Dom brought in got hurt almost immediately.

Chuck

That's the trade that ended Dom's season! That's the one! I was on this desk saying it was a king's ransom and within a week Tampa was a hospital ward.

Shaq

So the ninth pick turned into Wemby. Through a trade that wrecked somebody else's year.

Chuck

So wait. Hold on. You're telling me this man draws the ninth slot four years running, and he's turned it into Haliburton, Tatum and Victor Wembanyama — and he's still never won anything?

Kenny

Second, third, second. Thirty-seven and nineteen career. No ring.

Chuck

That's WORSE than being robbed, Kenny! If the slot was the problem I could explain it to him! This man has done everything right from a slot a wheel keeps putting him in and he's got nothing.

Ernie

We reached out. He hasn't responded.

Chuck

He's typing.


Ernie

The Records Department also pulled every first-round pick in league history. Three drafts, thirty-six picks, up on the board now.

Graphic: THE FIRST ROUND — ALL THREE DRAFTS

#23-2424-2525-26
1Declan — JokićLiam — JokićKevin — Jokić
2Xander — GiannisKevin — WembanyamaDom — Wembanyama
3Nik — TatumXander — DončićRich — Gilgeous-Alexander
4Kevin — DončićDeclan — Gilgeous-AlexanderDeclan — Giannis
5Dom — EmbiidDom — GiannisXander — Dončić
6Tom — EdwardsCJ — SabonisBryan — Cunningham
7Dineen — Gilgeous-AlexanderNik — HaliburtonDineen — Edwards
8Ambrose — CurryPanz — LeBronPanz — Trae Young
9Dennis — HaliburtonDennis — TatumDennis — Sabonis
10Liam — LeBronRich — EdwardsNik — Towns
11Rich — SabonisDineen — MorantCJ — Davis
12Bryan — LillardBryan — DavisLiam — LeBron

Italics are managers no longer in the league.

Shaq

Look at the top row.

Kenny

Jokić first overall in all three drafts. Three different managers. Not one of them won a title with him.

Chuck

Declan took him and didn't win. Liam took him and didn't win. Kevin took him and traded him away. That's the most cursed line on this entire board.

Ernie

Seven players have been first-rounders every single year — Jokić, Giannis, Dončić, Gilgeous-Alexander, Edwards, LeBron and Sabonis.

Kenny

And then look across row nine. Haliburton, Tatum, Sabonis. Three straight years, same slot, three players who all produced.

Shaq

Row nine is the saddest row in sports.

Chuck

And look at LeBron. Tenth, eighth, twelfth. Drafted every single year and never once before the back half of the round.

Kenny

Everybody wants LeBron. Nobody wants to pay for LeBron.


Graphic: FOUR TRENDS

Manager23-2424-2525-2626-27
Rich111031
Kevin4212
Xander2356
Liam1011211
Kenny

Rich has improved every single year. Eleventh, tenth, third, and now the number one overall pick. Nobody else in this league has a line that clean.

Chuck

Sit with that for a second. The man who spent a year telling anybody who'd listen that this league is rigged — the reports, the accusations, the towns — has had his draft position improve four years running until he landed first overall.

Shaq

He's been hunting a conspiracy with a flashlight while standing in the middle of one.

Kenny

Kevin's line is the one that should scare people. Four, two, one, two. That's the best average draft position in the history of this league and it is not close. And he's got one playoff appearance.

Chuck

ONE. From Dončić, Wembanyama and Jokić in consecutive years.

Kenny

In fairness, last season was the breakthrough. Playoffs, the highest regular season score this league has ever recorded, and a semifinal loss by forty-nine. He's not wasting it anymore.

Ernie

And then the champion. Second, third, fifth, sixth. Worse every single year, back-to-back titles at the end of it.

Shaq

Worse slots, better rings. I don't know what to do with that.

Chuck

I know exactly what to do with it. It means this draft matters less than everybody in this league thinks it does.

Kenny

And Liam. Tenth, first, twelfth, eleventh. He had the number one overall pick in this league two years ago and took Jokić with it.

Chuck

And we spent last season calling him a fraud. Both things are true.

Kenny

Ernie, one more thing off this graphic, and I only noticed it an hour ago. Split the board by conference.

Graphic: THE ORDER, BY CONFERENCE

East — Rich 1, Kevin 2, Tom 3, Dom 4, Gaven 8, Dennis 9
West — Declan 5, Xander 6, CJ 7, Nik 10, Liam 11, Kolano 12
Shaq

Hold on.

Kenny

The East has the first four picks in this draft. All of them. The West doesn't have a single pick in the top four, and its average slot is eight and a half against the East's four and a half.

Chuck

The West got ROBBED. Ernie, the West got robbed and nobody's said a word about it.

Kenny

Here's the part that makes it strange. Conferences get randomized every year. The draft order gets drawn separately, on that wheel. Two independent draws, and they landed like that. It's about a one in seventeen result.

Shaq

That wheel again.

Chuck

I'm telling you, somebody needs to look at that wheel.

Ernie

We're going to do a full show on it. Conferences, the rival matchups, and what all of it does to the race for a first-round bye — that's next week, once everybody's actually got a roster.

Kenny

And it matters more than people think. Six teams make the playoffs, division winners take the top two seeds, and those two get a week off in the first round. That's the prize nobody talks about in October.

Chuck

Six guys in that East drafting at the top of the board, fighting each other for one bye. And the West gets the other one with the bottom half of the draft. Tell me that's fair.

Kenny

It might be the most important structural thing in this league and we've never once covered it properly.

Ernie

Next week. Write it down.


Ernie

The people upstairs put a mock together for tomorrow night. They didn't ask us, and I'm told nobody up there is happy about it either. Roll it.

Graphic: FBCU EDITORIAL MOCK — FIRST ROUND

#ManagerProjected
1RichNikola Jokić
2KevinVictor Wembanyama
3TomLuka Dončić
4DomShai Gilgeous-Alexander
5DeclanGiannis Antetokounmpo
6XanderJalen Johnson
7CJCade Cunningham
8GavenAnthony Edwards
9DennisJayson Tatum
10NikDonovan Mitchell
11LiamTyrese Maxey
12KolanoJalen Brunson
Chuck

I got problems. Several problems.

Ernie

Start at two.

Chuck

Kevin taking Wembanyama. Again. Do y'all understand this man's history with this player? He took Wemby second overall in 24-25. Then last year he took Jokić first overall, and then he traded Jokić away and got Wemby back. Now the board's got him going right back to the same guy. Three drafts, same man, every time.

Shaq

At some point that's not a strategy, that's a relationship.

Kenny

And I'd push back on the pick itself, not the pattern. Wembanyama's games played the last three years: seventy-one, forty-six, sixty-four. That's sixty percent durability. If you're taking him second overall you're paying full price for a player who's missed meaningful time in two of three seasons.

Chuck

Which brings me to five, and this is the one that's crazy.

Ernie

Declan taking Giannis.

Chuck

Giannis played thirty-six games last season. THIRTY-SIX. And this board has him going fifth overall like nothing happened.

Kenny

Sixty-seven, sixty-three, seventy-three, sixty-seven, and then thirty-six. That last number isn't a blip in a pattern, it's a break in one. Sixty-one percent durability over five seasons.

Shaq

But when he plays he's a top-three fantasy player. That's the whole argument. You're not drafting games, you're drafting weeks.

Chuck

Shaq, you can't win weeks with a man in a suit!

Shaq

You can if he gives you fifty-seven a night in the ones he plays!

Kenny

Both of you are right, and that's exactly why it's shaky at five.

Ernie

And this is his second straight year taking him.

Kenny

It is, and he's the third different manager to invest a top-five pick in Giannis. Xander drafted him second overall in 23-24 and traded him to Dom midseason. Dom drafted him fifth the next year. Declan took him fourth last season. That player has been a first-round pick for three different teams in three drafts and nobody's won a title with him yet.

Chuck

He's a rental. A fifty-seven-point-a-night rental.

Kenny

And if that pick goes wrong it goes very wrong, and Declan's the one manager who can't afford a dead first-rounder with that schedule.

Ernie

Six. The champion.

Pause.

Kenny

I have no idea.

Chuck

None of us do. That's the honest answer. The board says Jalen Johnson and I wouldn't bet a dollar on it.

Shaq

This is a man whose draft slot has gotten worse four years running and who's won the last two titles. He don't need the obvious pick. He's taken Luka twice, he took Giannis once, and every one of those was the safe play — but that was when he was picking second and third. Sitting at six? I think he does something nobody expects.

Kenny

And if it's Jalen Johnson, understand what that is. Johnson's games played go twenty-two, seventy, fifty-six, thirty-six, seventy-two. That's fifty-one percent durability, the worst number on this entire board. Coming off seventy-two games, but still.

Chuck

So the champ's projected pick is the shakiest player in the first round. That tracks, actually. Man's never needed to care where he picks.

Ernie

One more. Eight.

Shaq

Gaven getting Edwards. First pick of his life.

Kenny

And here's what nobody's saying — Edwards has the best durability number of anybody in this first round. Seventy-two, seventy-nine, seventy-nine, seventy-nine, sixty-one. Seventy-four percent. If this board is right, the new guy gets the healthiest star available with the eighth pick.

Chuck

That's not fair. That is not fair to the rest of this league.

Kenny

And nine is the one I'd bet on, not against. Dennis taking Tatum. Because this isn't a projection, this is a man and his guy.

Ernie

Walk through it.

Kenny

Three seasons. In 23-24 Nik drafted Tatum and Dennis traded for him before Christmas. In 24-25 he drafted him himself, ninth overall. And last season Nik had him again on a twelfth-round flyer, and Dennis got him back late, after the Achilles, with sixteen games left. He's at an average draft position of nine point eight right now, which is exactly where Dennis picks. Nobody should be surprised when it happens.

Shaq

He went and got that man THREE TIMES.

Chuck

That's not roster construction, that's a custody battle.

Desk loses it.

Ernie

And eleven. Liam.

Chuck

Oh, I've been waiting.

Shaq

Say it.

Chuck

The man has drafted LeBron James twice. Tenth overall in 23-24. Twelfth overall in 25-26. And the board's got him taking Maxey, which — fine, sure. But you and I both know what's gonna happen.

Kenny

LeBron's at an ADP of thirty-three this year. Nobody should be spending a first-round pick on him.

Chuck

Kenny. Kenny. Nobody should have the last two times either.

Desk laughs.

Shaq

If that man takes LeBron in the first round a third time I'm walking off this set.

Chuck

If he takes LeBron a third time it becomes a bit. At that point I respect it. That's commitment.


Ernie

Before we go — what are we hearing?

Kenny

Quieter than you'd expect, honestly. There's been movement. Multiple managers have taken calls about moving up or down in this draft. Nothing has closed.

Chuck

Nothing? With this group? That's not quiet, that's suspicious.

Shaq

Everybody likes their board the night before. That's why nothing closes. Ask 'em again Saturday morning when half of 'em hate their team.

Kenny

That's actually right. The trade market in this league doesn't open until people see what they got.

Ernie

Three managers have told us they want to see their roster before they do anything. So expect the phones to start Saturday, not tonight.


Ernie

That's the board. Rich at one with four straight years of improvement behind him. Kevin at two with the best draft capital this league has ever handed anybody and one playoff trip. Tom back at three after two years gone. The champion at six, picking worse every year and winning anyway. And Dennis in the ninth chair for the fourth consecutive season, having done absolutely nothing wrong.

Kenny

Tomorrow night the board starts moving and all of this becomes theory.

Shaq

That's when it gets good.

Chuck

Somebody reaches in the first round. Somebody always reaches. We'll put their name on a graphic Saturday.

Ernie

Draft night, tomorrow, eight thirty eastern. Full coverage and grades this weekend. For Kenny Smith, Charles Barkley and Shaquille O'Neal, I'm Ernie Johnson. Somebody check that wheel.

Theme. The 9 — 9 — 9 — 9 graphic returns and holds. Fade.


Draft records and career numbers from draft_history.py. The editorial mock is draft_sim.py run on public average draft position with no announced picks assumed. Nothing was remembered.

37 Comments

  • Marcus_TTop comment

    "That's not a draft slot. That's an address." I am going to be thinking about that line for a week.

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    • hoops_dad_1987

      shaq has been on an absolute tear this preseason

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  • box_score_guy

    Row nine is the real finding and they almost undersold it. 50.5, 48.4, and a pick that turned into Wembanyama. Three ninth picks, three hits, zero titles. The seat was never the problem.

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    • bracketology_

      Which raises the harder question nobody at that desk wanted to ask out loud. If the chair is fine and the picks are fine, what is left.

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    • hoops_dad_1987

      dont do him like that

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  • truthsayer_99

    so the guy who spent a year screaming RIGGED went 11th, 10th, 3rd, 1st. and we're all just supposed to move past that

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    • quiet_part_loud

      nobody is going to ask who spins the wheel. ok cool

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    • m_hernandez

      They said it on air last week. It's a randomizer on a group call with everyone watching. You can dislike the outcome without inventing a mechanism.

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    • truthsayer_99

      a randomizer somebody loads. on somebody's computer. ok

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  • NOTAFRAUD

    calling a man a fraud and then admitting he had the number one pick and took jokic with it. so which is it

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    • Marcus_T

      Chuck answered that in the next line. Both things are true.

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    • NOTAFRAUD

      thats not an answer thats a slogan

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  • swishhhhh

    didnt read all that. is 9 good or bad

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  • Derek_P

    Seven players have gone in the first round all three years and they listed them without comment. Jokic, Giannis, Doncic, SGA, Edwards, LeBron, Sabonis. That is the actual spine of this league and it got four seconds.

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  • Clipper_Nation

    4, 2, 1, 2 and one playoff appearance. I have never seen a worse return on better inventory in any sport.

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    • bench_mob

      To be fair they covered this. He made the playoffs last year and set the single week scoring record.

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    • Clipper_Nation

      and lost by 49. im not sure thats the defense you think it is

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  • jenna_r

    the LeBron thing is so funny to me. every single year somebody takes him and every single year they wait as long as they possibly can

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    • hoops_dad_1987

      "everybody wants lebron. nobody wants to pay for lebron" is the best line kenny has had all year

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  • ballknower22

    jokic 1st overall three times and nobody won with him. thats a jokic problem. people need to stop drafting him

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    • box_score_guy

      Three managers, three different rosters, three different outcomes, and the one constant produced at the highest level every year. That is the opposite of a Jokic problem.

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    • ballknower22

      agree to disagree

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  • bracketology_

    The conference split is the story they buried under the wheel stuff again. East has 1 through 4. Six teams make it and two divisions guarantee the top seeds. That decides more than any pick in this draft.

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  • d_whitlock

    Second, third, fifth, sixth, and two rings on the back half of that. Chuck is right that it means the draft matters less than people think. It also means nobody should feel safe tomorrow.

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  • unsubscribed

    three graphics and a table in one episode. this is a podcast not a spreadsheet. im out

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    • greg_s_72

      You said that last week too

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    • unsubscribed

      and i meant it last week too

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  • bench_mob

    Small one: the Sabonis trade is listed as Sabonis, Butler and Jaren Jackson for Wembanyama, Allen and Reid. Last episode said three injured starters went one way. Which is it?

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    • FBCU StaffStaff

      Both are right. The three who went to Tampa were healthy at the time of the trade and got hurt after they arrived.

    • bench_mob

      Got it. That is a much worse story for Tampa than I realised.

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  • tiffanyyy_

    why does everyone keep saying nine like its scary. its just a number

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    • jenna_r

      i think thats sort of the point

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  • FantasyFreakk

    1 in 1728 again. guys. that is a 0.06% event and there are twelve managers and four seasons. things like this happen constantly

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    • m_hernandez

      That's a reasonable objection and it still leaves it at about one in a hundred and fifty across the whole league. Unlikely is not impossible, but it is still unlikely.

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  • anon_4471

    genuine question what happens if he gets 9 again next year

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  • RJ_from_work

    "He's typing." I had to put my phone down.

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  • Derek_P

    Nobody has mentioned that the champion's slot got worse every single year and he won anyway. That is either the most important fact in this episode or a coincidence, and the panel moved on in eleven seconds.

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